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78: The Harmful Effects of EMF Radiation and How To Combat It | Daniel DeBaun

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Today, we’re exploring something that is all around us yet invisible to the naked eye—Electromagnetic Fields, or EMFs. From the devices in our pockets to the Wi-Fi signals connecting our homes, EMFs are an inescapable part of 21st-century life. But what exactly are they? How do they interact with our bodies, and are they as harmless as they seem—or do they pose risks we should be addressing?

That’s why I’m so excited to welcome Daniel DeBaun to the show today. Daniel is a globally recognized authority on EMF radiation, shielding technologies, and the health implications of EMF exposure, with a particular emphasis on the impact of devices like laptops, tablets, and smartphones. He is the co-author of Radiation Nation: The Fallout of Modern Technology and serves as the CEO of DefenderShield, a leading company in EMF radiation protection solutions.

In this episode, Daniel and I discuss the potential risks associated with EMF radiation, the science behind 5G technology, current FCC exposure guidelines, the most concerning EMF sources, and practical strategies to reduce exposure in everyday life.

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Speaker: [00:00:00] Welcome to the podcast, how to be well and strong. I'm your host, Jacqueline Genova, and I'm excited to have you join me as I speak with some of the leading figures in the fields of wellness, integrative medicine, and mental health, as we discover what it truly means to be well and strong in both body and mind.

Get ready to be empowered, inspired, and motivated about being an advocate for your own health.

Welcome back to another episode of the show, everyone. Today we're exploring something that is all around us, yet invisible to the naked eye. Electromagnetic fields, or EMFs. From the devices in our pockets to the Wi Fi signals connecting our homes, EMFs are an inescapable part of 21st century life. But what exactly are they?

How do they interact with our bodies, and are they as harmless as they seem? Or do they pose risks we should be addressing? That's why I'm so excited to welcome Daniel DeBaun to the show today. Daniel is a globally recognized [00:01:00] authority on EMF radiation, shielding technologies, and the health implications of EMF exposure, with a particular emphasis on the impact of devices like laptops, tablets, and smartphones.

He is the co author of Radiation Nation, the fallout of modern technology, and serves as the CEO of DefenderShield, a leading company in EMF radiation protection solutions. In this episode, Daniel and I discuss the potential risks associated with EMF radiation, the science behind 5G technology, current FCC exposure guidelines, the most concerning EMF sources, and some practical strategies to help reduce exposure in your everyday life.

This is definitely an episode you don't want to miss. Let's get into it. But just to kick things off, Daniel. So again, I'm really excited to sit down and chat with you. I've been a longtime user of Defender Shield products, uh, again, for well over a decade now. And this is certainly a topic that I think so many people need to know about, right?

Because it affects our everyday lives. So I just [00:02:00] wanted to kick it off by asking you what first inspired you to kind of research and develop these solutions to reduce EMF exposure. 

Speaker 2: Uh, let me give you a tiny bit of my history. Um, I was in Bell Labs. Many, many, many years ago. And I, my business in Bell labs was developing standards and doing testing for technology.

And so, um, it was what was deployed that I had tested and the standards they met. So I was pretty familiar with, um, electronics, um, for quite a number of years. And I guess about. Oh, probably over 15 years ago, maybe even more now. My sons, who are adult men, were visiting and they had their laptops on their lap.

And my wife says, [00:03:00] I want grandchildren, that can't be good for you. Now, she's a social, she was a social worker at that time. And I looked at her and I said, no, that can't be true. I'm very, very familiar with what's going on, but it can't be true. But both me and my sons said, hey, wait, maybe let's take a quick look.

maybe there is something there. And even back then, we knew that there was influence from electromagnetic radiation or RF radio frequency stuff coming off of the laptop with their Wi Fi and Bluetooth. Um, and even back then it was known that, uh, from scientific evidence that there was 20, 25 percent male sperm immobility after three to four hours of use on a laptop.

And ironically, I was in the industry writing the standards for the [00:04:00] industry, and I didn't know that. 

Speaker: Wow. And 

Speaker 2: so, um, I had at that time retired from the telecommunications space and, um, I, we said, well, I'm a mechanical engineer, so I, I can probably figure out how to shield The emission from a laptop from a male or female, by the way, at that time, we knew that 2 percent of females exposed to that had some tumor, some cancerous, some percent cancerous.

So it was like. Wow, this is pretty serious. So what I did was I designed a laptop shield, which is called Defender Shield, uh, a Defender pad at that time. And, um, I said, well, I can make it for you guys. And they used it. Their friends wanted it. And so I said, okay, well, maybe we'll [00:05:00] stop manufacturing some of this stuff.

I'll let's make a thousand of them and see what happens and made a thousand and That was the start. 

Speaker: Wow. 

Speaker 2: Um, it was literally to help my sons, um, Have grandchildren which by the way 15 years or so later, I still don't have grandsons, grandchildren. 

Speaker: Maybe one day. One day soon. I'm hopeful. I'm 

Speaker 2: still hopeful.

That's, that's 

Speaker: an incredible story. In fact, I have my Defender pad in front of me right now. I do not go anywhere without it. And it's funny, even when I'm at coffee shops, people will always ask me like, what's that pad underneath your laptop? And then I'll go on to explain to them all about EMFs and Defender Shield and, and what have you.

And 

Speaker 2: Yeah. Actually, that was the big thing. I don't know if anybody would ever use it because no one knew about it as a, as a potential danger. So I was really concerned from a business point of view, you spend a lot of money and no one, no one uses it because [00:06:00] they don't feel they need to. Well, what's interesting about that is.

Slowly, slowly, but surely, people becoming more aware that maybe there is exposure from the electronics around us, and maybe I should, we should think about protection. Um, you know, what's interesting from there, we went. Um, and we started producing the products and we're putting into the market. People were starting to sort of agree that maybe from a conservative point of view, even if they didn't really believe it was truly dangerous, that they needed to be conservative about it.

Maybe precautionary measures should be taken and they should use it. Um, and that actually started, it was slow early on, but it was slow, but true. And then, um, I was reading an article, uh, um, [00:07:00] about a young 16 year old child that was harassing her parents to get a cell phone and the parents were reluctant to get for the, for their daughter, uh, a very healthy, um, um, conscious woman.

And, um, I knew, uh, that, um, That the cell phone at that time was potentially dangerous to the frontal lobe, the front of the head. And so, um, I read the article and it said how after about a year or so, the daughter actually used it incessantly over that year and she developed the frontal lobe cancer. 

Speaker: Wow.

Speaker 2: And she passed away. And that was, to me, very, very frustrating because why don't we know about this? Now, it was an isolated case. It may be that [00:08:00] it's not truly a problem for the mass market, but science was suggesting even back then, the frontal lobe has soft tissue and was more susceptible than other parts of the body.

Uh, so I said, look, this technology we developed for a laptop shield, uh, the fender pad. Um, actually would work in a cell phone and then I started producing cell phones. Brilliant. 

Speaker: Daniel, question for you on the science front. So first of all, I'll, I'll let you know, my mom, I feel like has always kind of been ahead of the curve with all of these health trends, right?

Like she was one of the pioneers who used to shop at Whole Foods even before EMF, you know, EMF research and whatnot came out. She always would say, keep your phone on speaker phone, never put it up to your head. Yeah. Yeah. Prior to even knowing about Defender Shield or your laptop pads, she would always make us put a pillow on our legs.

Really? Wow. Yeah, she's, yeah, I, she, she's done a lot. She's, she's truly brilliant. She doesn't [00:09:00] give herself enough credit. But, um, but she was always kind of, you know, informing us of, okay, these are things you can do to help mitigate the risk of exposure. But for folks who, like, this is their first time hearing about the term EMFs, um, you know, you mentioned science before.

Can you just share how EMF radiation actually affects our bodies on a cellular level? Because I think education, right, is truly so important, uh, when it comes to, to understanding like, you know, why should we be avoiding or mitigating the risk of EMFs? 

Speaker 2: It's, it, uh, it's, that's a, thank you for asking that question because it's really the origins of what we, we want to talk about, I think.

It's all about, um, understanding the impact of a toxin. To the human body. And if you think about it, um, radio, so let's, let's talk about what it is. First, um, there's two forms of [00:10:00] electromagnetic radiation we talk about in our world. Uh, and it's this stuff that comes from the wall in your room. That's extremely low frequency.

excuse me, ELF, extremely low frequency emissions at 60 Hertz. And the wires that run, when you have something plugged in, there's an electrical current through, and that generates electromagnetic radiation at 60 Hertz. So there's that one form, the wires running. In your, uh, house, the wires running on, uh, along the road, the big high powered ones that, uh, are very high up, they're generating electromagnetic radiation.

So that's one form, which is an important emission that's surrounding us that you need to be thinking about. And then the other was, um, radio frequency, R F. [00:11:00] Um, it's the stuff that comes from your cell phone. The stuff that a cell phone, for example, you have, you have your cellular connection that goes from your cell phone to the cell tower.

That's a physical connection. And then you have Bluetooth. That's an RF signal. It's, it's, um, uh, less power levels, but they are an RF signal. They're about the third, Power level than a cell phone. Wow. Um, and so, and then of course you have, um, GPS, the, the, you are generating signals, um, uh, to, um, that are constantly pinging where you are.

And then finally you have wifi. Um, wifi is an RF signal as well. Uh, and that goes from your cell phone. To your [00:12:00] router. 

Speaker 3: So 

Speaker 2: when you pick up a cell phone and you put it to your head, you have 3 to 4 transmitting signals that are touching something somewhere. And the power levels are relatively low. Um, I'll give you an example.

Um, a microwave oven operates at roughly 2. 3 gigahertz. What is a gigahertz? Um, A hertz is one cycle passing something in one second. It's a wave that passes one cycle per second. Um, a gigahertz is a billion cycles that passed one second. And so, like, if you're looking at the waves in the water, at the ocean, you'll see one wave go by, then the second wave you see another.

That's a cycle. That's a hertz. If, in one second, going past [00:13:00] that, Point, a billion go by, that's a, that's a gigahertz, billion cycles per second. That's what your cell phone uses, a billion cycles per second, that's connecting. And so there's the, the frequency that occurs, and then there's the power. A microwave is roughly 2.

3 gigahertz, a cell phone is one gigahertz. A microwave 2. 3 gigahertz typically can go up to. Um, a thousand watts. You know, when you go buy a microwave, it says, well, I want a thousand watt one. I want a 700 watt one. That's the power that's generating. And then, uh, a cell phone is about 1.6 watts peak. It's much, much lower, 

Speaker: right.

Speaker 2: But a microwave chronic exposure, a microwave. It's a thermal emitting [00:14:00] signal. That means it heats stuff up when it, uh, and, uh, uh, so, um, when you have a microwave oven, it's heating the water in between cells, heating those cells up. And they begin oscillating really, really fast. And then your meat's cooked.

Well, that's what's happening when you put it on. Yeah, but the power is much less. Uh, however, yeah. Science is pretty clear that there's evidence between external power levels at 1. 6 watts. Influencing soft materials in our human body. We started off with, uh, the, um, laptop. And laptop generating Wi Fi signal probably around one, more than 1.

6 watts per kilogram, can mutate, can immobilize the male sperm. [00:15:00] And in the case of females, uh, less than 2 percent are impacted by mutating cells, but one percentage of that can actually, uh, become cancerous. So that's the mechanics in our environment. It's been introduced to our environment for the past 30 years or so.

Um, The difference 30 years ago was an RF signal was away from you. You didn't have all these signals around you. But today it's literally in your living room. And there are a dozen in your living room, two dozen in your living room. And that environment is creating problems for the human body to deal with.

It's never dealt with this kind of congestion of RF signals in our environment. And, and that's where the problem lies. What can it do? Well, for [00:16:00] 10 years or so, um, there was. an increase by 2 percent compounded every year of, uh, frontal lobe cancer. Is it a coincidence? We know it's the soft tissue closest to the cell phone.

Um, we know that, uh, thyroid. Um, if, if, if, if you have an RF signal, fluoride, and you have a mutated cell in your family lineage, you're three times more likely to get thyroid cancer. This is science we know, um, very well studied science. Um, in fact, um, if the, um, body, when exposed to an RF signal, goes into what we refer to oxidative stress, which is where the body, like, doesn't know what is going on, what's [00:17:00] going on, so there becomes an imbalance with the free radicals and the antioxidants in the human body.

I actually think it's not necessarily oxidative stress. In part, it's oxidative stress, but we know from Dr. Navio that the cells respond Naturally to a toxin and, uh, the body, every part of the body is reacting in different ways called cell danger response. And that's actually responding, um, by changing the, uh, the body's

Protection when it's trying to survive, just like if you have a, when you see a bear in the woods, you automatically run. You don't think about it. Well, that's what happens to the cell. Um, so is this a problem? Maybe science [00:18:00] suggested it's controversial. We know that some industry experts don't believe that industry experts being those who provide the service.

And so, and then you have independent science, which suggests. It's maybe not 

Speaker: right. 

Speaker 2: Um, and so I'll give you an example of a doctor. Um, what's his name? Um, Ali Johansson, buddy of mine, Ali Johansson has been doing research on, uh, RF for 40 years, and he, uh, actually identified this cell brain barrier that protects the human body breaking down in the presence of RF.

Wow. And then that breakdown actually exposes your, your cells, your frontal lobe cells to potential dangers, more so than others. 

Speaker: And I think that's, that's also interesting, Daniel. And the first thing that comes to mind, too, I mean, when you were talking [00:19:00] about, you know, the science that supports all this, is that, Oftentimes, I think just our human nature is that if something doesn't inherently bother us or innately bother us, like if we don't have symptoms, we don't necessarily like think it's an issue.

But I think in the context of EMFs, I have quite a few friends who I know are very quote unquote EMF sensitive. Like they'll actually get headaches or other, you know, symptoms. Symptoms if they're, you know, wearing Bluetooth headphones, and is that basically a, I guess, like the nature of having like that barrier being broken down?

Like, why are some people more sensitive to EMFs than others? 

Speaker 2: Thank you for asking that question. It's like, so when I started this over, over 15 years ago, it was roughly known that about 15 percent of us. responded to an RF signal in a negative way. We'd have, [00:20:00] um, um, I don't know, let's, we'd have burning sensations, we'd have depression, we'd have fatigue, we'd have, uh, dizziness, nausea, we wouldn't sleep well, our memories wouldn't work.

Well, we know what, because of science. Studies years ago that about 20 percent of us would have some form of electric hypersensitivity is what they call it, and it was a very real condition in the U. S. It's not. It's not acceptable. Um, medical diagnosis in Europe. It is 

Speaker: not. 

Speaker 2: Yeah, so there's this dichotomy of the world and how they deal with this, and the sort of the concentration of RF from the studies done 10, 15 years ago has been much [00:21:00] more.

And guess what? Electrohypersensitivity has gone up to up to 50%, some studies suggest. And, uh, Jacqueline, 80 percent of those who are affected are women, and we don't know why. 

Speaker: Interesting. Um, 

Speaker 2: it's really true. I don't know if you're more the canary in the coal mine than I am, but there's something going on, um, and it is clearly increasing, and it's serious.

Actually, believe it or not, you know, when we talk about this, um, Is it cancerous? Well, there's scientific evidence suggests there is linkage for, for cancer. Um, but electrohypersensitivity, I'm more worried about that. Right. And the reason why is it's pervasive. Not only that, it can be pretty seriously debilitating.

Speaker 3: Right. 

Speaker 2: I work with clinics. [00:22:00] Um, one was out in San Diego and, um, they had someone come into the clinic And they brought him in on a wheelchair, and Dr. Cort, um, a friend of ours, um, started looking at him, and he began realizing, this guy's electro hypersensitive, in an extreme way. Turned out, Dr. Cort is electro hypersensitive, and so he's pretty, uh, Responsive to patients who come into his office.

And in fact, he became so familiar with it. He ultimately became Dr. EMF, he literally is the expert in the industry and I've known him for many years and and That person worked in a building in which it was high, high, high power levels of extremely low [00:23:00] frequency emissions. So his exposures were extremely high.

So, um, they began working with his diet. They began working with exposures. They began working with mitigating exposures. All the things you would do to try to help balance the human body, to try to be more responsive and resilient to exposures. And they eventually, um, were able to bring this person, this patient, uh, to a normal space.

Um, before I knew Dr. Kord, I didn't know any clinicians that could turn around electrohypersensitivity. It was pretty serious. Back then, I felt very frustrated. In fact, that's why my son and I wrote a book, uh, Radiation Nation, was because we were so frustrated that no one knew using a cell phone potentially could be dangerous.

Speaker: Here's, here's a question for you, Daniel. So on the [00:24:00] topic of mitigating exposure, you mentioned some sources, common sources of EMF exposure before. Understanding that we can't all live in a bubble, right? Like we live in this world, we're constantly going to be exposed to different types of EMF sources and whatnot.

What are some, I guess, just practical steps that someone could take to help mitigate those levels? And I'll share with you a few that I do, a few of my habits, and I tell my followers this too. Every night I unplug my Wi Fi. I will say I live in an apartment building, so I don't know how effective that is because obviously there's people above and below me, but I do unplug my own Wi Fi.

I always have my phone on airplane mode if I, you know, don't necessarily need to be out and have it on. connected to cellular data. I obviously use my Defender Shield shielding products. Um, I did recently get a Faraday cage, and I'm really curious of your thoughts on that. I mean, you know, how, I guess, extreme would, would you go, uh, to, to really mitigate EMF exposures, like at night, for example, when we sleep?

Um, [00:25:00] And yeah, and then I have these like stickers that basically are like harmonizers that claim to like neutralize the EMFs. I'm curious of your thoughts on those too. I know that was a lot, but 

Speaker 2: these are the questions 

Speaker: I have for you. I was so excited to ask you all of them. 

Speaker 2: Uh, there are devices. I did the testing for the Bell system, so I'm pretty familiar how to verify and substantiate the claims of a product.

And, um, I actually went to an FCC laboratory and have them test my product. And the reason why is because I could be biased. Right? How could you believe what I gave you is being true? Uh, because I'm the source of the testing. Uh, so when it. comes to devices, look at this science, substantiating the claim.

There are devices that are stickers that, that, that they make [00:26:00] claims that it mitigates emissions. Um, you need to find the evidence. that that's true. I can't find evidence on a lot of them, if not most of them. Um, claims are a placebo at best. So I do recommend if you choose to look at devices for protecting yourself, that you look at the study work that's suggested.

And, and by the way, if someone shows you that the red blood cells, Don't coagulate as much as when shielded, that's not evidence. That's a temporary body response. And so I really do recommend you find independent studies on any of those choices. You touched on a very important point for me, which is the [00:27:00] environment.

It's all about what you control. You don't worry about what you don't control. Like, for example, if your apartment, um, that's adjacent to your building has a Wi Fi signal, you don't worry about it because you can't do anything about it. Right. Um, and by the way, Any of the rules of thumb, um, uh, one to two foot away from a signal, um, 80 percent of the cell danger is, uh, is, um, gone.

By four foot, it's 98. I typically recommend 

Speaker: Interesting. 

Speaker 2: Ten foot minimum for true safety. 

Speaker: Speak, on that, on that topic too, Daniel, before I forget, what about cell towers? So when folks are, when folks are moving, right, they're looking for a new home, obviously if there's a cell tower in the vicinity. You're probably not going to be inclined to purchase that home, but what is a quote unquote safe [00:28:00] distance to live from a cell tower?

Speaker 2: 750 yards. 

Speaker: Okay. 

Speaker 2: Yeah, there is, so we were talking about a cell phone. Let's talk a little bit more about it. 1. 6 watts is the maximum power the FCC allows, right? That was to protect the head of a user. The standard occurred over 35 years ago, they looked at six foot males that were in the service. And they said, how much can a signal penetrate a male six foot on average?

And we want to make sure that it doesn't heat up more than two degrees. They didn't look at any biological implications. Just the thermal implication, like the microwave we talked about. And so, um, [00:29:00] that was what the standard that prevails, even to this day. Well, it represents about 2 percent of the users you have, um, um.

women. You have the men who are six foot and have thick skulls, and they're very hard to deal with oftentimes as a result of it. But, um, then you have the female, maybe not as thick skulled, but then you have the child that's six years old. That signal, that can penetrate Based on the standard, two inches into the head goes completely through a child's head at six years old.

And the standard doesn't reflect any biological. All of the study work over the last 15 years in independent study work is on the biological impact. When we talked about the frontal lobe, we're not talking about [00:30:00] heating up, we're talking about a cell response. So. 1. 6 watts. When you're next to a cell tower, it's over 40 watts.

So you really don't want to be near 40 watts. We know at 1. 6 watts, it's pretty serious. But at 40 watts, the exposure concern is much, much higher. That's why you don't want to be close to that. So let me go back to the other question about, um, what do you do to mitigate? Um, The bedroom is probably one of the most important places in the house that you need to worry about.

You don't want anything in that room. You don't want a cell phone, you don't want a Wi Fi, you don't want any transmitters in that room. You, often times for hypersensitive, [00:31:00] even being close to a wall. Can bother you because of the wiring in that wall. So oftentimes you want to make sure the headboard is not close to that wall because the LF is coming out of that wall.

So you want a sanctuary. You know, I was doing a podcast, uh, once with a very, very bright lady and I was telling the sanctuary or the bedroom was really important. And she was all, yo, thank you so much for that information. Really, really appreciate it. She didn't believe a word I was saying. And so, um, about several weeks later, she called me up and she said, my husband and I, we've moved our cell phones off the, off the, off our tables, the night tables, and we're sleeping through the night.

I said, of course you are because it really does influence your body. And more importantly, it disrupts the sleeping pattern, which is when your body recovers at night. Uh, and so, um, um, It's important that you [00:32:00] create that sanctuary and that you treat it as a sanctuary for all toxins, including RF toxins.

Um, so we, we talked about RF and then we got so much to talk about, but, um, uh, when you use light, uh, when you use a monitor, uh, in your bedroom or tablet, And you're looking at the screen, you've heard a blue light. Well, a blue light is very close to, um, the transition point from, um, um, one type of RF, uh, one type of, um, um, RF.

Radiation versus another, um, and so it has power. So when you're looking at a monitor at night, the, the light is shining into, the blue light is shining into your eye and it's playing around with the cryptocorm protein. It's, it's actually saying up is still, what's still [00:33:00] light out. You don't go to sleep yet.

So the melatonin and all the other things that have to occur are not occurring because. You are tricking your body into believing it's still sunlight. It's the way the body responds for that for, uh, since we began. And so when you use a, a, a tablet at least an hour before, put it away. And the Cryptochrome protein will do its natural thing and turn off and turn off the functions and turn on the right functions.

So the sanctuary is very, very important. You take all stressors, because they are a stressor, out of the environment. And, um, and and you should be safe. Now let's talk about other parts of the room. You do everything you're supposed to be doing. You're really, you're mitigating the [00:34:00] stressor in your environment that you control when you can.

Turning this off, turning that off. Like with a cell phone, I have I don't have Bluetooth on, I don't have Wi Fi on, I have a cell connection, 

Speaker 3: and 

Speaker 2: I keep it over four foot away from me, right, the distance. And I'm always trying to be safe. When I come into the house at night, I put my cell phone at the door.

I don't bring it into the house. I, I, it's, is it, it's just a precautionary measure I just have in my own home. Um, I have my whole house Ethernet wired. 

Speaker: Wow. 

Speaker 2: I don't use Wi 

Speaker: That's the goal. Yeah. 

Speaker 2: That's what you want to do. You want to mitigate it. In fact, I talk about this, uh, Jacqueline is, uh, uh, bees in the room.

Um, um, one bee won't kill you unless you're allergic. A thousand will. Well, think about The bees in the room, the RFB, your cell phone had three of [00:35:00] them, turn two of them off, you have one, so you simply turn them off if you don't need them in that room, and that helps you and your body deal with those exposures, it reduces exposures.

The level of exposures, and that's a good thing to do as a general practice. And, and you, you don't panic when you have a, um, transmitter on a, um, on a, on a wall outside where you're terminating power, everyone has the meter concerns. Well, that meter signal is one watt. And if it's in the garage. That's 20 feet away from your living area.

You don't panic about that, if that's the case. You panic if it's on the wall and your bedroom [00:36:00] headboard is right in, at that wall. That's when you panic, because there's no distance. So you don't panic about this stuff, but you try to mitigate it where you can. 

Speaker: I couldn't agree more. And Daniel, I mentioned before.

Um, Faraday cages. What are your thoughts on this? I, I have one. I have yet to use it and set it up because it's a little complex, but I'm, I'm intrigued, uh, to potentially give it a shot. But what are your, what are your thoughts on this? 

Speaker 2: Um, Faraday cages, uh, have a, a role. Um, They are used by the military to shield their electronic devices.

Speaker: Interesting. 

Speaker 2: And they, if, if, if you were an enemy and you wanted to find your enemy that has a cell phone. In a Faraday cage, you'll never find it because it can't find the transmitters. So, um, [00:37:00] it's a cloaking device that's used in the military for not only hiding, but also protecting electronics. Um, and so, um, if you are interested in moving around your area and not be found electronically, that's a great thing to have.

If. If you're looking to protect yourself from the emissions, um, you can take that cell phone or any other device you have, and you can put them anywhere else outside the room you're in, and that's as much protection as, uh, um, Um, 

Speaker: Faraday 

Speaker 2: cage will give you. 

Speaker: Interesting. 

Speaker 2: And, and even, so if it's four, four more away, you're fairly safe.

So do you really need one? Not necessarily. If you're electric hypersensitive, you will. 

Speaker: Yeah. 

Speaker 2: A lot of people really do because of that. So we have, uh, [00:38:00] Faraday cages and we Sell them a lot to the industry. Um, but we also sell a lot to the military 

Speaker: for that reason. Okay Well, i'll keep you posted if I give it a shot.

It's currently in my closet again Haven't set it up yet, but I think i'm doing all the other things to I 

Speaker 2: think you should be doing Yeah, exactly 

Speaker: one other question too for you daniel. So going back to bluetooth i'm sure you have like just You cringe because I know I do every time I see someone walking around with the air pods or you know, The bluetooth the speakers and i'm i'm guilty of it, too I mean, I have a set of air pods that I use sometimes when I do my podcasting or when i'm lifting weights, but What are your concerns around that?

And I mean, I know you mentioned earlier like bluetooth has about was it a third? Of the amount of frequency so is that still something to be concerned about? 

Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a third of the power level, right? So A cell phone's 1. 6 watts, Bluetooth is 4 watts, [00:39:00] so is that a concern? Well, probably eight years ago I saw a study that showed a frontal lobe that was damaged, DNA damaged.

dot one watts, dot one. So that's 15 times less the power level of a cell phone and, um, five times the power level of, uh, of a Bluetooth. So is that a problem? I would never use Bluetooth for that reason alone. Um, you're, you're really better off, um, way. Earbuds that are wired, um, earbuds are even better if they're acoustical couplings between [00:40:00] the ear piece itself and the speakers to eliminate it completely.

Speaker: Interesting. 

Speaker 2: And it's the time domain. So you should, um, find protection by putting stuff far away from you as possible. The other is the duration of exposure. So if you're using a cell phone and it's five minutes, you're really safe for the rest of your life. It's when you increase the power usage. that it becomes more and more dangerous.

So with your earbuds, which you should never use, by the way, um, and you're using it for an hour or two hours, it's dot one. It takes dot one watts and it's four watts. And so there's potential danger of frontal lobe. Concerns. 

Speaker: What about with Bose speakers? Daniel, like, [00:41:00] I mean, I, again, I have a Bose speaker.

I use it sometimes, but if it's far from you Right. But like the Bluetooth signal still goes through the air. I do. Like how, how does that work? 

Speaker 2: Yeah. That's all about where it is, right? The, and where the power levels are. If you have a, a speaker or any manufacturer speaker and you are using wifi, um. It is most of the time one direction, it's to the speaker, the speaker is not transmitting out, it's only receiving, and so they're fairly safe, I mean, if you can avoid it, it tends to be slightly better, but there's not much difference, only because time, they're not transmitting.

And they're not, if they do, it's not often. 

Speaker: Yeah. So interesting. Um, and also too, Daniel, one other thing that came to mind, [00:42:00] 5G, right? This, again, this could be a topic for a whole other conversation. It is, but we hear, we hear a ton about 5G, right? Higher frequencies, cumulative exposure. What is, what is the danger of 5G for folks who are like, I don't understand any of the context behind why this is so controversial.

Speaker 2: Okay. So, um, the controversy truly lies in the increase of frequency rates with 5G. What do I mean by that? Well, as we've talked about, um, a cell phone is roughly one gigahertz. Um, with 5G, It can go up to 300 gigahertz. Wow. Very, very much faster and faster and faster. Example of a concern at 90 gigahertz, for example, is it's used [00:43:00] in devices.

When we were in college, we were protesting and someone took a big hose and washed us down and we ran. Well, they have an equivalent of that. in modern day, which is an RF signal, which is at 90 gigahertz. And when it transmits to the body, You have, um, your sweat glands act as an antenna at 90 gigahertz, and you get hurt.

You're feeling like you're hot, and you run. So that's the modern version of that. In other words, when you get higher rates, we really don't know what's going on, but we do know in some it does impact the human body. So the big concern is we don't know much. We have suspicion that these higher rates can be dangerous, and we got to be worried about that.

Most of the Transmission you hear about [00:44:00] today in 5G is not those high rates. Most of it is around one gigahertz or less, believe it or not. So it's all about the same stuff that's been out there, which is not necessarily good. It's just adding more to it. Um, now that there is a difference. Um, when you talk about.

the service to your house. Um, there is a, um, distribution, uh, kind of configuration with 5G that you put a tower right in front of your house. Why? Because the transmission of 5G above 40, 50 gigahertz can't go very far. A cell tower goes four or five miles. Well, some of the faster rates, as you get higher and higher in frequency rates, say at 40, 50 gigahertz, To 90 yards, they don't go very far.

They can only go about 750 feet. How do they fix that [00:45:00] problem? They take the power level of what you typically had around your house at 1. 6 watts or 40 watts that was five miles away to 40 watts in front of your house. That's power level. If you had a child in your front yard, that's never been there before.

Speaker 3: Yeah. 

Speaker 2: So there's a real concern that the power levels that are required to transmit those 5G signals are going to be much, much higher. And then satellite, if you have a, if you have a satellite communications with 5G, Those current designs go up to 80, 90 gigahertz, and they go up to, uh, 40 to 60 watts, and that's going to be in your backyard.

So I think the concern is all about the new frequency rates and the power levels associated with it. [00:46:00] That's never been in our environment. Should you be concerned? The answer is yes. In my opinion, but it's not scientific evidence. Why? Because we don't have any research on it. No one really knows, although one thing I haven't talked about is, um, RF, uh, when exposed to the gut, bad bacterium, like, RF signals, they propagate very well.

So the problem we have when you're exposed to an RF signal is the disruption in your microbiome. And if your electric hypersensitivity, if you have it, um, you have, there's a high likelihood you have DEVC, which is a bacterium, a particular bacterium that actually can be pretty seriously dangerous to the human body.

Wow. So, but it's. Interesting how many, so many, [00:47:00] uh, who have electrohypersensitive have a dev c increased level. Well, we know at 20 gigahertz, which is the 5G space, um, there was one study I saw that showed an increased level back before. bacterium, uh, bad bacterium growth. And so, um, we just don't know much about it.

And we should be concerned about it. And if someone wants to activate a service in front of your front yard, don't take it. 

Speaker: Yeah. No, I, I couldn't agree more and that's why I'm gonna, I'm so grateful for all the work that you're doing to educate people on this topic because it is so, so very needed. And also too, Daniel, I've heard you state in previous conversations that the current safety standards for EMF are insufficient and need to be rewritten, right?

Yet you just said that that might be a bit of a challenge because there's not enough research yet. Are you aware of any going on right now that will hopefully I guess, like, [00:48:00] lend to more, or better, rather, EMF safety standards in the future. 

Speaker 2: Um, I don't think so. Let me explain a little bit more about that.

The FCC, under Wheeler, um, a previous chair, a few years ago, approved 5G. using the current standards. And as I explained before, the current standards represent 5 percent of the use where 95 percent are not considered when the standards were developed. So the Kennedy, um, who is now in the, going to be in the government board here, um, he actually brought the FCC to court and Him and, and, and, uh, Dr, uh, Davis, um, [00:49:00] brought a suit against the fact that the FCC have not done their legal responsibility of understanding the current understanding of RF signals and they lost in court.

The FCC lost in court because they did not look at the research over the last 30 years. 

Speaker 3: Wow. 

Speaker 2: Um, and so I always tell everyone, you're the destiny, you're the architect of your own destiny. You, you don't wait for someone to tell you you shouldn't do that. Or use that in that way, because the FCC, in my opinion, has lagging understanding in litigation, as well as, uh, regulation for protection of the human, uh, using the devices.

Speaker: Yeah. So interesting. Daniel, this has been such a comprehensive [00:50:00] conversation, but I feel like we have only just skimmed the surface. So I do hope to have you back on again at some point. We are coming up on time and I do want to be conscious of your schedule. But with that, where can listeners find you?

Where can they pick up a copy of your book, Radiation Nation, learn more about Defender Shield, all of that? 

Speaker 2: So, uh, Defendershield. com. Um, we're also, of course, we help products in Amazon, but the DefendantShield. com and I reason I say that is because we have a learning section that we maintain, which is, um, all the research gathered together.

So if you have a question of, of the, about the implication to the eye or the implication to, uh, your stomach or, or, or other diseases, we actually spend time trying to educate through providing that information to the, to [00:51:00] the, uh, to our users. Um, so it's defender shield.com and that's where you'll find a.

Um, uh, radiation issues as well. 

Speaker: Awesome. And my last question for you, Daniel, and this is my favorite one to ask, and that is what does being well and strong mean to you? 

Speaker 2: Uh, know your environment. It really is true that I've seen changes over the years. And I used to love my crisp French fries and, um, trans fats, which you cook French fries was banned in Europe and, uh, and it took.

This has only been banned in the U. S. for a few years. We used it for 30, 40 years. And so it's like, when we have things introduced in our environment, be aware of it, um, enjoy what it is and bring the values it has, but also be careful and make your own decisions on, um, those [00:52:00] external, um, Um, exposures to your internal body.

So in fact, in general, I, uh, mentioned this, uh, you're an architect, you're on destiny. So you're the one who's responsible for you. No one else. 

Speaker: Love that. Yeah. I mean, the mission of Well and Strong is to encourage readers to be advocates of their own health and that starts with education, right? 

Speaker 2: Yeah. It really does.

It really does. Know your environment. 

Speaker: Yeah. And 

Speaker 2: don't take someone else's view. Uh, find your own view through knowledge and information. 

Speaker: 100%. Well, Daniel, this was so much fun. I truly do hope to meet you at some point in person one day. You got to come visit Greenville, South Carolina. You're not too far. I 

Speaker 2: will.

Yeah. I love Carolinas. I used to go there for years and years and years, uh, for vacations, uh, down the Carolina shores. Yeah. Yeah. 

Speaker: Beautiful place. Well, thank you, Daniel. We will chat again soon, but I'm excited to share this listeners and I'll let you know when it goes live. 

Speaker 2: Thank you very much. You have a wonderful day.

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